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the attack in benghazi was planned in advance. u.s. marines are now racing to libya to help secure the consulate. president obama is promising justice. joemana karadsheh is in tripoli, libya, for us. this tension that erupted, do you feel it in tripoli? >> reporter: actually, no, don. i was out and about today in tripoli. life seems to be normal. people are hearing about what happened and most of the libyans that i have spoken to are outraged by what happened. they are condemning this attack saying it's not representative of the libyan people and their sentiments towards the united states and towards the west. they are saying that they are grateful for the role that the united states plays. many are familiar with ambassador stevens and the role e he played. people are really saddened by this attack. they are really shocked. it's also seen as a wake up call for the government here for authorities that have really not taken a strong stance. they have not taken action against these groups that we know are operating in eastern libya and th
the attack in benghazi was planned in advance. u.s. marines are now racing to libya to help secure the consulate. president obama is promising justice. joemana karadsheh is in tripoli, libya, for us. this tension that erupted, do you feel it in tripoli? >> reporter: actually, no, don. i was out and about today in tripoli. life seems to be normal. people are hearing about what happened and most of the libyans that i have spoken to are outraged by what happened. they are condemning this...
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. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. it was taking so long to get permission to go to tripoli, the fbi deployed the personnel to location in the region to be closer. th have conducted interviews at the state department and u government personnel who were in lia at t of the attack. but they've not again able get -- they have gott as f as tripoli and never to benghazi. they made a ruesth crene be red. as we know from our arwa damon's rerting and othereporting, we don't whether or not the state department put the request to libyans and denie or what happed to it. what we know for sure is the crime scene is never secured. information correspondent an townsend talking about this. i want to bring in bobby gos welcome back. >> thanks >> you wrote a piece in "time" magazine coming out tomorrow. and in your reporting in this article i read, you point to a specific cell of a militant group thought to conduct that attack in benghazi. tell me what you know. >> our local reporting suggests and the libyan government
. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. it was taking so long to get permission to go to tripoli, the fbi deployed the personnel to location in the region to be closer. th have conducted interviews at the state department and u government personnel who were in lia at t of the attack. but they've not again able get -- they have gott as f as tripoli and never to benghazi. they made a ruesth crene be red. as we know from our arwa damon's rerting and...
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tell us about this attention that erupted in benghazi. it did not actually happen in tripoli. are you in tripoli. how are people responding to what has taken place? >> well, the situation here in tripoli does seem to be normal. people are on the streets. there seems to be nothing but the news that -- of what happened in bengazy spreading across tripoli today. most of the people i have token to, people in the capital here, are shocked and saddened by this attack. they say that it does not reflect the way libyans treat their guests. this is not the way libyans feel about the united states, and they do appreciate and do express gratitude for the rule the united states played last year as part of the nato alliance in helping the libyan people in ousting mow har gadhafi during their revolution. we are hearing also from government officials who are condemning this. they're also promising to bring those responsible to justice to have an investigation into what actually happened and who is responsible for this attack. >> i want to play a bit of sound here. this is from a libyan govern
tell us about this attention that erupted in benghazi. it did not actually happen in tripoli. are you in tripoli. how are people responding to what has taken place? >> well, the situation here in tripoli does seem to be normal. people are on the streets. there seems to be nothing but the news that -- of what happened in bengazy spreading across tripoli today. most of the people i have token to, people in the capital here, are shocked and saddened by this attack. they say that it does not...
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territory in both benghazi and cairo were over. third, it's the responsibility of our political leaders to stand up for what they think are right. and governor romney doesn't think it's right to apologize that we allow people the freedom of speech. he's not condoning how this might use this freedom. but that's in our constitution, that's our values, that's our history. those are the things brave americans have stood for and died for. of course, we have condolences and sympathy for the people that died. they served our country well. >> absolutely. that's the point here instead of focusing on the people that have lost their lives and people in harm's way, we're talking about who should be apologizing for what when most people see that is not the story. thank you for everything you just said, but my initial question was, it couldn't wait? >> well, let me again reiterate. the timeline you suggest was not the same that i just went through. >> i'm not asking about the timeline. it couldn't wait until all of the information -- hang on. le
territory in both benghazi and cairo were over. third, it's the responsibility of our political leaders to stand up for what they think are right. and governor romney doesn't think it's right to apologize that we allow people the freedom of speech. he's not condoning how this might use this freedom. but that's in our constitution, that's our values, that's our history. those are the things brave americans have stood for and died for. of course, we have condolences and sympathy for the people...
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there are well-equipped groups already in place in benghazi. a lot of al qaeda sympathizers there as well, these pockets of al qaeda sympathizers. knowledge of this film, when you pull the pieces together, you get a little bit clearer image of what u.s. intelligence officials are working with new as they are trying to piece together exactly how this got so out of control. >> there has also been a lot of conflicting statements from washington as to whether this attack was planned or not. it seems to change daily. what do we know at this point? >> reporter: it does. as a matter of fact, it was very difficult sort of pinning down where the confusion was coming from. i mean, take a listen, randi, to just what was said as recently as last night. >> you know, we have no information to suggest that it was a pre-planned attack. >> this was a calculated act of terror on the part of a small group of jihadists. >> reporter: now, of course, we have officials in libya also coming out and saying that they do believe this was pre-planned so here's where i thi
there are well-equipped groups already in place in benghazi. a lot of al qaeda sympathizers there as well, these pockets of al qaeda sympathizers. knowledge of this film, when you pull the pieces together, you get a little bit clearer image of what u.s. intelligence officials are working with new as they are trying to piece together exactly how this got so out of control. >> there has also been a lot of conflicting statements from washington as to whether this attack was planned or not....
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doherty was working as a private security contractor in the consulate at benghazi when he and the former ambassador from america were killed last week. he was 42 years old and served two combat tours in the iraq war. he retired from the s.e.a.l.s seven years ago. >>> and also churning out of the gun operation program known as fast and furious and the one that has been dogging the obama administration since last year. there is a long awaited report due out by the justice department, the inspector general in fact, and it may be released some time today. you will recall that the botched investigation was supposed to monitor the head honchos invo e involved in illegal gun running to mexico, but it is also being blamed for contributing to crimes, and not stopping them, and also been linked to the killing of a u.s. border agent. the republican-controlled house voted to hold attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress for failing to turn over documents that were related to the case. holder did turn over thousands, but there were many that were not turned over as well. joe johns is moni
doherty was working as a private security contractor in the consulate at benghazi when he and the former ambassador from america were killed last week. he was 42 years old and served two combat tours in the iraq war. he retired from the s.e.a.l.s seven years ago. >>> and also churning out of the gun operation program known as fast and furious and the one that has been dogging the obama administration since last year. there is a long awaited report due out by the justice department, the...
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consulate in benghazi libya, killing four americans including the u.s. ambassador to libya there chris stevens, there are more questions than answers. why hasn't the fbi set foot on the crime scene? why was the white house so late in calling it a terrorist attack? why is there so much conflicting information coming in from the obama administration? just yesterday, the secretary of state hillary clinton spoke about an al qaeda group's link to extremists in benghazi specifically and seemed to tie it to the attack on the consulate. let me quote her. quote, for sometime, al qaeda in the islamic maghreb and other groups have launched attacks and kidnappings from noern mali. now with a larger safe haven and increased freedom to maneuver terrorists are seeking to extend their reach and their networks in multiple directions and they are working with other violent extremists to undermine the democratic transitions under way in north africa as we tragically saw in benghazi. but, but a senior state department official later said mrs. clinton was speaking in more ge
consulate in benghazi libya, killing four americans including the u.s. ambassador to libya there chris stevens, there are more questions than answers. why hasn't the fbi set foot on the crime scene? why was the white house so late in calling it a terrorist attack? why is there so much conflicting information coming in from the obama administration? just yesterday, the secretary of state hillary clinton spoke about an al qaeda group's link to extremists in benghazi specifically and seemed to tie...
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this is the latest in a series of attacks we have seen take place in that city of benghazi targeting western interests there. that same u.s. consulate back in june, a bomb exploded outside the consulate gates. there were no casualties in that attack, but it does seem that these extremist groups are operational in the east and are intent on targeting western interests there. >> and the fbi or teams of fbi agents were expected to arrive in libya today. what's the latest on that scheduled trip? >> we're hearing from u.s. officials, fredricka, is that that trip by the fbi team has been delayed. they have postponed it because of the security situation here in libya and the region. they decided that it was not the right time to send anyone in. in their words, they do not want to put more people in harm's way. what they are doing, we understand, is that they are questioning people. they are getting witness testimony from people outside the country, including people who have been evacuated. in the meantime, the libyan authorities say their investigation is going really well. they say that th
this is the latest in a series of attacks we have seen take place in that city of benghazi targeting western interests there. that same u.s. consulate back in june, a bomb exploded outside the consulate gates. there were no casualties in that attack, but it does seem that these extremist groups are operational in the east and are intent on targeting western interests there. >> and the fbi or teams of fbi agents were expected to arrive in libya today. what's the latest on that scheduled...
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they were killed four days ago in an attack on the united states consulate in benghazi. arwa damon got inside that building. it's now burned out and has the most complete picture that she's about to bring us of the violence from that night and the warning that came days before. >> amid the ash, soot, and debr debris, remnants of a life that was. and what it meant to those stationed here. scrawled on this sheet, libya is so important. traces of blood stain the walls. what is now a blackened ruin was a pleasant compound in an upscale benghazi neighborhood. libyan officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants and quickly overwhelmed the libyan and american guards. the compound's first line of defense easily breached. according to one of the libyan guards that was stationed at the gate, armed with only a radio, the assault happened sim simultaneously from three different directions. he said he initially heard chanting growing increasingly louder and suddenly, the gun fire, the rocket propelled grenades and other heavy machine gun fire all began attac
they were killed four days ago in an attack on the united states consulate in benghazi. arwa damon got inside that building. it's now burned out and has the most complete picture that she's about to bring us of the violence from that night and the warning that came days before. >> amid the ash, soot, and debr debris, remnants of a life that was. and what it meant to those stationed here. scrawled on this sheet, libya is so important. traces of blood stain the walls. what is now a...
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consulate in benghazi. we have cnn's most complete picture yet of the violence that night and the warnings that came days before. >> reporter: amid the ash, soot, and debris, remnants of a life that was, and what it meant to those stationed here. traces of bloodstained libyan officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants and quickly overwhelmed the libyan and american guards. the compound's first his guarde chaos, smoke, and darkness, died of smoke inhalation. what we're being told is that the ambassador's security detail brought him into this location, shutting the door, trying to ensure his safety. and then we are being told that when the situation finally calmed down, the ambassador's body was then taken out through this window by a group of libyans. our consulate staff were evacuated to what was supposed to be a safe house, but then it too was targeted. that's where two more americans died. libya's government has vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice, but the country's pres
consulate in benghazi. we have cnn's most complete picture yet of the violence that night and the warnings that came days before. >> reporter: amid the ash, soot, and debris, remnants of a life that was, and what it meant to those stationed here. traces of bloodstained libyan officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants and quickly overwhelmed the libyan and american guards. the compound's first his guarde chaos, smoke, and darkness, died of smoke inhalation....
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consulate in benghazi on september 11th. the president praised stevens for his service to his country. he vowed to bring the killers to justice. mr. obama's remarks ending just moments ago carried live on cnn. he also spoke out about all of the religious extremism in the middle east and elsewhere around the world, specifically making mention to that extraordinarily offensive video. have a listen. >> i have made it clear that the united states government had nothing to do with this video, and i believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. it is an insult not only to muslims but to america as well, for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that's welcomed people of every race and every faith. we are home to muslims who worship across our country. we not only respect the freedom of religion, we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. >> our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin is live at the united natio
consulate in benghazi on september 11th. the president praised stevens for his service to his country. he vowed to bring the killers to justice. mr. obama's remarks ending just moments ago carried live on cnn. he also spoke out about all of the religious extremism in the middle east and elsewhere around the world, specifically making mention to that extraordinarily offensive video. have a listen. >> i have made it clear that the united states government had nothing to do with this video,...
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they've never made it to benghazi. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. in fact, it was taking so long to get permission to get into tripoli, the fbi deployed closer. they have conducted interviews of those in labia at the time of the attack, but not been able to get -- they've gotten as far as tripoli, but never gotten to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be security. as we know from arwa damon's reporting and other public reporting, the state department, we don't know whether the state department put that request to the libyans and whether it was denied. what we know for sure is the crime scene was never secured. the senior law enforcement official i spoke to said, if we get there now, it's not clear it will be of any use to us. the third and really critical and astonishing point to me that they made was, look, one of the things we have to do is question the individuals the libyans have in custody to get to the bottom of this, to understand what they're learning. in fact, they made request through the state department.
they've never made it to benghazi. >> they haven't been on the ground in benghazi? >> they have not. in fact, it was taking so long to get permission to get into tripoli, the fbi deployed closer. they have conducted interviews of those in labia at the time of the attack, but not been able to get -- they've gotten as far as tripoli, but never gotten to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be security. as we know from arwa damon's reporting and other public reporting,...
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consulate in benghazi, libya, killing four americans including ambassador chris stevens. chief among them, what did the intelligence community know and when did it know it and when and how was the obama administration informed. just in to cnn, the national intelligence director is addressing both issues. let's get right to cnn intelligence correspondent suzanne kelly in washington. >> this has been something of a political football thrown around for a couple of weeks now as people try to nail down what happened, when intelligence officials knew it, and this is the fullest accounting yet we're getting now from the office of the director of national intelligence on exactly what they knew and when. i want to read to you from a statement by shawn turner, the director of public affairs for the odni's office. he said in the immediate aftermath there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier thie day at our embassy in cairo. we provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of congress who use
consulate in benghazi, libya, killing four americans including ambassador chris stevens. chief among them, what did the intelligence community know and when did it know it and when and how was the obama administration informed. just in to cnn, the national intelligence director is addressing both issues. let's get right to cnn intelligence correspondent suzanne kelly in washington. >> this has been something of a political football thrown around for a couple of weeks now as people try to...
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consulate in benghazi libya. and fbi agents have not even stepped foot on to the crime scene or even in the city of benghazi. that rather surprising information coming from top law enforcement officials. what's more, the crime scene has not been secured. here is cnn national security analyst fran townsend. >> what we found out today from senior law enforcement officials is that while the fbi has finally made to tripoli, they never made to benghazi. in fact it was it taking so long to get permission to get into tripoli, the fbi deployed their person flel to a location in the region so they would be closer. they have conducted interviews of the state department and u.s. government personnel in labor i can't libya at the time of the attack. but they've never gotten to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be secured. as we know from public reporting, the state department -- we didn't know whether or not the state department put that request to the libyans and whether it was denied. what we know for hsur
consulate in benghazi libya. and fbi agents have not even stepped foot on to the crime scene or even in the city of benghazi. that rather surprising information coming from top law enforcement officials. what's more, the crime scene has not been secured. here is cnn national security analyst fran townsend. >> what we found out today from senior law enforcement officials is that while the fbi has finally made to tripoli, they never made to benghazi. in fact it was it taking so long to get...
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we're learning more about the attacks in benghazi that resulted in the death of chris stevens and three of his colleagues. sean smith was online the night of the attack. he sent messages one of them to a friend online. while protesters were gathering outside of the consulate and he said this. assuming we don't die tonight. we saw one of our "unquote police that guard the compound taking pictures. cnn armand damon joins us now. you had a chance to walk through that compound. give me a feel for what you've seen, what you witnessed in the aftermath of these murders. >> reporter: it really is quite chilling to be standing inside that compound, even with the bare information we have trying to piece together the events that transpired there on tuesday. the buildings are gutted. they have been burned. there's black soot across many of the walls. there's debris littering the floors. there's some -- we spoke with a security guard, a libyan security guard and even though he said the security guard is only armed with a radio who was manning one of the main entrances into the consulate compound and
we're learning more about the attacks in benghazi that resulted in the death of chris stevens and three of his colleagues. sean smith was online the night of the attack. he sent messages one of them to a friend online. while protesters were gathering outside of the consulate and he said this. assuming we don't die tonight. we saw one of our "unquote police that guard the compound taking pictures. cnn armand damon joins us now. you had a chance to walk through that compound. give me a feel...
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>> do you believe what took place in benghazi could have been anticipated? there are reports that there were, you know, security concerns that ambassador stevens had, that there was some activity of camps of extremists happening nearby. do you believe that the u.s. could have anticipated that the u.s. consulate would be a target? >> you know, the only responsible answer i can give you is that i don't know, and i'm not sure that anyone yet knows. it was a very volatile situation into which an extremist murderous group interjected itself, but what was the relationship between that group and the larger crowd that was gathered, i don't know. >> is it your concern that's what's bubbling up around the globe in terms of various forms of unrest that this might be a prelude to something even bigger than what we've seen already? is that your concern? >> we have have toare in mind that we have to preserve our freedom of speech in this countr we should not be tolerant of what could be a conspiracy. a conspiracy involving multiple people with phony names or hidden identi
>> do you believe what took place in benghazi could have been anticipated? there are reports that there were, you know, security concerns that ambassador stevens had, that there was some activity of camps of extremists happening nearby. do you believe that the u.s. could have anticipated that the u.s. consulate would be a target? >> you know, the only responsible answer i can give you is that i don't know, and i'm not sure that anyone yet knows. it was a very volatile situation into...
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that depends on who you ask. >> what happened in benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo, almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo which were prompted of course by the video. >> most people don't bring rocket propelled grenades and heavy weapons to a demonstration. that was an act of terror. for anyone to disagree with that fundamental fact, i think is really ignoring the facts. >> libya's president says foreign extremists planned the attack but in egypt officials say some protesters actually got paid to participate. of course events overseas have changed the dialog when it comes to the election here at home. until now mitt romney's message was centered on the economy and with obama leading in the polls republicans have seized on the embassy crisis to attack the president's leadership. >> all of us are watching events closely. we know who america is dealing with in knees attacks. they are extremists who operate by violence and intimidation and the leasty equivocation or mixed signal only makes t
that depends on who you ask. >> what happened in benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo, almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo which were prompted of course by the video. >> most people don't bring rocket propelled grenades and heavy weapons to a demonstration. that was an act of terror. for anyone to disagree with that fundamental fact, i think is really ignoring the facts. >>...
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inside that burned out consulate in benghazi to put together the violence from that night. >> reporter: amid the ash, soot and debris, remnants of a life that was, and what it meant to those stationed here. scrawled on this sheet, memories so important. what was a backened ruin was an up scale neighborhood. officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants, and quickly overwhelmed the guards. the compound's first line of defense, easily breached. according to one of the libyan guards stationed at the gate armed with only a radio, the assault happened simultaneously from three different directions. he said he first heard chanting growing louder and louder, suddenly then, gunfire, and heavy machine gun fire is attacking the compound. he is so afraid of retaliation he is refusing to appear on camera. he says at one point the masked men came over to threaten him for protecting the infidels, he only survived because another managed to lead him away. a rocket-propelled grenade took out the tower, and set the main residence on fire. here, the bedroom where u.s. ambassador
inside that burned out consulate in benghazi to put together the violence from that night. >> reporter: amid the ash, soot and debris, remnants of a life that was, and what it meant to those stationed here. scrawled on this sheet, memories so important. what was a backened ruin was an up scale neighborhood. officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants, and quickly overwhelmed the guards. the compound's first line of defense, easily breached. according to one of...
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investigators try to figure out who is responsible for the attack in benghazi that killed the u.s. ambassador. a film maker hated by millions because of his anti-islam film is in jail. not because of the movie. really. the jimmy hoffa mystery solved? this is a live look at the suburban detroit home where investigators are digging right now. more from the scene in a bit. >>> get your flag pins and sense of pride. we're talking economic patriotism on the campaign trail. newsroom starts now. >>> good morning. happy friday to you. i am carol costello. we begin this hour, new intrigue in one of the most iconic crime mysteries in u.s. history. police in the detroit suburb of roseville may be breaking new ground in the 1975 disappearance of the former union boss jimmy hoffa. minutes ago crews began drilling a core sample from what used to be a driveway. they say a credible tip alerted them to a possible burial just around the time hoffa vanished. susan candiotti is in the neighborhood. i know, susan, you have been down this road before. >> reporter: i have. we were back here in 2006 when
investigators try to figure out who is responsible for the attack in benghazi that killed the u.s. ambassador. a film maker hated by millions because of his anti-islam film is in jail. not because of the movie. really. the jimmy hoffa mystery solved? this is a live look at the suburban detroit home where investigators are digging right now. more from the scene in a bit. >>> get your flag pins and sense of pride. we're talking economic patriotism on the campaign trail. newsroom starts...
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glen dougherty and tyrone woods were in benghazi working security. sources tell cnn dougherty and woods were in another part of the city when they got word that the consulate was under attack. the men went to the consulate, rounded up the staff and recovered the body of the first victim, sean smith. military officials say it was during a second, more intense attack that doherty and woods were killed. >>> the obama campaign says mitt romney is still holding back critical information about his finances. yesterday, the republican presidential candidate released some of his tax documents, including his full 2011 tax return. it shows that he made $13.7 million last year and paid nearly two million in federal income taxes, because romney's income came largely from investments, he's taxed at a lower rate, 14.1%. the documents also show the romneys dominated more than $4 million to charity. but they only claimed about half of that as deductions to conform with romney's earlier statement that he's never paid less than 13% in income taxes over the last decade.
glen dougherty and tyrone woods were in benghazi working security. sources tell cnn dougherty and woods were in another part of the city when they got word that the consulate was under attack. the men went to the consulate, rounded up the staff and recovered the body of the first victim, sean smith. military officials say it was during a second, more intense attack that doherty and woods were killed. >>> the obama campaign says mitt romney is still holding back critical information...
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consulate in benghazi. people taking to the streets yesterday in the thousands demanding democracy, but more importantly, demanding an end to these extremist militias whom people and the government here say were behind that attack that took the lives of four americans. at night on friday, hundreds of these pro democracy demonstrators began taking situations into their own hands and storming various headquarters of known militias in the city of benghazi, including the headquarters of the militia, and if you'll remember, the libyan government has said that it has detained individuals who are part of that group in association with the attack on the u.s. consulate although they say the group as a whole was not behind that assault. >> thank you so much for that reporting. meantime, president barack obama and u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton will be heading to new york next week for a meeting of the u.n. general assembly. the violence in the muslim world will likely be high on their talking points. they sa
consulate in benghazi. people taking to the streets yesterday in the thousands demanding democracy, but more importantly, demanding an end to these extremist militias whom people and the government here say were behind that attack that took the lives of four americans. at night on friday, hundreds of these pro democracy demonstrators began taking situations into their own hands and storming various headquarters of known militias in the city of benghazi, including the headquarters of the...
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the people of benghazi sent this message loudly and clearly on friday when they forcefully rejected the extremists many their midst and reclaimed the honor and dignity of a courageous city. >>> we want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty to talk a little bit about this, and honestly, jill, there is a different tone to these meetings now after you see these anti-american draegs across the middle east. i know that the secretary, she had a chance to meet with the president of pakistan. do we know anything about what came of that because there were some pretty significant protests over the weekend out of pakistan. >> you know, suzanne, this issue event video really is kind of overshadowing a lot of what's going on. it's not just the video. it's what happens to these arab spring countries now that they've gone through a year, year and a half of being free and moving toward democracy. it's a very rocky road. i was just saying that the sound that came from the president. he said one or two insane people should not be allowed to endanger world peace in the garb of freed
the people of benghazi sent this message loudly and clearly on friday when they forcefully rejected the extremists many their midst and reclaimed the honor and dignity of a courageous city. >>> we want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty to talk a little bit about this, and honestly, jill, there is a different tone to these meetings now after you see these anti-american draegs across the middle east. i know that the secretary, she had a chance to meet with the...